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Season 10 Preview with Rodger Moore – 108

Episode Overview

  • Episode Topics
    • Introduction to Season 10 and Welcome to Rodger – 1:04
    • Second Chance Games – 8:11
    • Updates on Previous Projects from Board Gaming with Education: WorldsXP, Review Deckbuilder – 13:15
    • Board Gaming with Education Lifetime Resources for Board Games – 17:10
    • Season 10 Format – 31:30

On this week’s episode of Board Gaming with Education Dustin and Rodger Moore chat about Season 10 of the Board Gaming with Education Podcast. They also share some ideas for using board games for learning and how they have managed to develop resources for various board games currently available at Board Gaming with Education . COM. Be sure to listen to hear about updates to previous Board Gaming with Education projects, resources they have developed for board games for learning, and the new format for Season 10.

Thank you to Purple Planet Music for the wonderful contribution of their song “8-Bit Heaven” for our Transition Segment. This song can be found in full on this music archive.

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Introduction to Season 10 and Welcome to Rodger – 1:04

Rodger comes on the show as our first regular guest of season 10. He will be on the show multiple times over the course of Season 10 and future episodes. Rodger shares some things he has been working on at Board Gaming with Education. Check out some of the games he’s helped developed resources for below.

Rodger goes on to share his experience with using board games in the classroom. He talks about how he used it to engaged his students in his later years of his 20-year teaching career. He also talks about some things he was doing to coordinate board games in the classroom with other educators in the field. This is how Dustin and Rodger hooked up to start working together on the Board Gaming with Education Store.

Second Chance Games for You! – 8:11

If you are interested in testing out some board games for learning for your learning environment, reach out to us: podcast@boardgamingwitheducation.com. We’ll send you some games that deserve a second chance and might be a good fit for your learning environment in exchange for a review or testimonial.

Updates on Previous Projects from Board Gaming with Education: WorldsXP, Review Deckbuilder – 13:15

Dustin shares some update about WorldsXp, a gamification tool kit, and the Review Deckbuilder, a gamified review experience for all content areas. If you were following along with these projects, and you would like to test either of these two projects, send Dustin an email: podcast@boardgamingwitheducation.com.

Dustin also talks about the YouTube channel. He mentions there will be opportunities to make more content for the channel. However, it will be a slower process this time around. Be sure to stay tuned for this!

Board Gaming with Education Lifetime Resources for Board Games – 17:10

Dustin and Rodger chat about the resources they have been developing for Board Gaming with Education. Rodger mentions, “Dustin, I’ve talked about this is that, I’ve told him, I’ve emphasized to him that I didn’t really want to make it a static thing where I or him or anybody that’s created some content that we’re using, that we put it up and then Okay, we’re done with it. And you know, and you come and look at it, but that we want to add to it.”

Any game purchased through our site will grant you lifetime access to any resources currently available for the game, and any future resources that we develop for the game. For example, you may purchase Cytosis now and with your purchase you’ll receive complimentary resources for the game that are currently available, and in the future, you’ll receive any additional resources we develop for Cytosis.

Cytosis

Cytosis: A Cell Biology Game transports players inside a human cell and puts them in control! In this biologically accurate worker placement game, players take turns directing the cellular action, like placing workers on available organelles and collecting resources. Players then invest those resources to build enzymes, hormones, and hormone receptors!

Season 10 Format – 31:30

Dustin talks about two different episode types for the Season 10 podcast. We will continue with the usual interview-based episodes. These will be released about twice a month on Fridays.

There will also be a new topical based format with multiple guests on the show. We are going to dive into a specific topic based on games for learning. These will be released every Monday.

For example, the regular guest and I (Roger as the regular guest), we would chat about the topic. So, the topic might be board games for literacy. Roger and I would introduce the topic and chat about it very briefly. And then I would have on the one-time guest who has used board games for literacy, or is an expert in using board games for literacy. And we would have an in-depth conversation about that. I would be on the learning end mostly. I would take on the role of the listener trying to really learn as much about the topic as possible, and asking questions and prying more information from the expert. And then after that conversation, Roger would come back on the show. And we would have a follow up discussion about the topic. Then we would end the episode.


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Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 0:00

Season 10 of board game with education coming right up. In this preview episode we talk about board game with education. We share some updates like our worlds XP, a gamification toolkit, and our review deck builder. And if you’re interested in testing those out, tune into the episode on some information about the progress of those projects.

And we also share with you how you can get your hands on some more board games for learning through our website boardgamewitheducation.c om. And finally, toward the end of the episode, we chat about what season 10 is going to look like. We’re really excited. We have some newly formatted episodes coming out for season 10. So stay tuned. Those will be coming out next Monday. All right, let’s get to the episode.

BGE 0:46

Board Gaming with Education, a podcast for anyone curious about how games and education mix, we explore various topics like game-based learning gamification, and board games and the impacts they have on learning. here’s your host, Dustin Staats.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 1:04

Welcome to season 10. of board game with education. While this is a preview to what season 10 is going to look like I am super excited because I have Roger with me. And I want to officially welcome Roger on the podcast to to board game with education.

He’s been developing some really cool resources for our science base games on our website, or game with education comm these are resources that you can use in tandem, I think if that’s the correct use of that word, with board games that we have on our site, for example, we’ve looked at cytosis periodic some flux games that are science based and Roger had looked at those games and looked at how we can use resources either for at home learning or for in the classroom.

So thank you, Roger, for helping us with those resources. I’m super excited for you to join board game education. Would you mind introducing yourself a little bit?

Rodger Moore 1:57

Yeah, sure. Well, yeah, thanks, Dustin, for for bringing me on board. Yeah, we’ve been kind of working behind the scenes, I think here for a while, as we kind of, kind of funnily approached each other, I guess, if that’s such a word. But anyway, my, my name is Roger Moore, I’m, I’m just a recently retired science teacher, I was, I had this kind of idea. In the back of my mind, I spent 25 years in the classroom. Actually, not really, that I was actually maybe about 20 ish.

I spent some of it doing technology, I started doing technology, but I got kind of funneled back into the classroom. And as I started to get out of that, I was teaching a an advanced course, at my high school, the International Baccalaureate program. And essentially, after it’s pretty rigorous and teaching the content, you’re basically teaching for this exam that the students are taking in May, the way our schedule worked out was, once the exam was over, we’d covered all the content.

So it was kind of open for us. Like what what could we do? Well, I had been into board gaming, I mean, I’ve been into it since I was a kid. I really got back into it heavy in 2012 when I joined a meetup group here, and now not, I’m addicted really bad to it now, something I’m obsessed doing all the time. So I was like, Well, how can I do the? Yeah, it’s the board game disease. But I was, I was trying to I was like, yeah, you know, I really want to find some way. I think this, this has some potential to use with with students. So that group of students, I said, you know, what I’m going to do, I’m going to bring in a bunch of these science based board games, I set up some, you know, parameters that they had to, I was going to attract some things, and I said, I was going to teach it to them. And then there was also a nice, little self serving thing I was doing there too.

I was helping out somebody else Jamie Cunningham and Lauren Cunningham of wouldn’t be awesome games, they were working on a game called pathogenesis, which is a was a deck builder, emulating you or a bacteria or a virus. Basically a bacteria really attacking a body. And so from that, but then she was she was using it to teach the immune system. So they were in the months of playtesting and I go well, this is great. I’ll bring that game in for sure. And I’ll have my students give some feedback with it.

And I brought some other stuff in and their their caveat was that they had to I taught every game to them and then they had to play them all and then they could just play them and then you know, I was given them some you know, you know loose ended questioning and stuff like that, but then that was kind of given him some credit for doing it and then I even open up you know, you can challenge me because a lot of those students want like, extra credit and stuff like that, which I wasn’t really hip on, honestly as a teacher because I always felt like that was more work for me and even the even the student, but I said hey, this is the option. opportunity to get some extra credit, but this is the only thing I’m going to do. And then the funny thing was is I said, anybody in your group, or whoever you’re with plays me, anybody beats me, then you know that you get the points. And so they thought that was pretty cool. But they really enjoyed it. I got some good comments from the kid saying, Hey, that was kind of neat. I had, that was different. I, you know, I really enjoyed that it was kind of a different way to learn some things. So that just got me thinking that I need to find some way to incorporate it. I worked on some stuff in the background for a few years. And then I got pushed back in the classroom.

I really started working on it more and started developing some stuff. And then got hooked up with a lady this Lindsey Portnoy want to brighten in an article got published in a book, and she was like, Yeah, and I collaborated with her for a while. And she says, You need to get a YouTube channel, you need to get this going, because this has got some potential, you know. So that’s kind of where it is, and then kind of led then I was on your podcast, you know, earlier this year. And then, as I knew I was getting close to retirement, I knew this is something I kind of wanted to do on the side, I go, I really want to develop this, I just couldn’t do it while I was teaching. I mean, I was, you know, putting stuff away or whatever. But it’s just too hard to I think, to focus. And then you know, I had another guy in our group. Now, that’s actually contributed quite a bit.

Brad row who’s contributed some really useful information for us. He uses it in his in his classroom, and he lives out in a rural spot where I’m from, and that just got my brain churning even more. And then I was like, well, I really wanted this going. But honestly, this is why I approached Dustin, because I was like, I didn’t. I had I mean, I know how to do, you know, set up a webpage and do this and do that. But it was just like it was in some ways, it felt so overwhelming. I was like, I had so many ideas, but I didn’t, I didn’t know where to begin. So that’s why I approached you. And I said, Hey, Dustin, you know, you’re kind of doing what I was doing, what do you think about and then I think if I remember the conversation, you said the same thing that you were talking to your wife and said, you know, maybe I’ll talk to Roger. And then it just kind of like fell into place.

I know it’s kind of a long intro, but I wanted to give some people some, some kind of background as to, you know where I’m going so. But I’d like I said just just quickly too. And then I used it a little bit more. Unfortunately, with the the pandemic hitting, I had some plans for the spring. Because we went right on our spring break. And then all this stuff yet. We had a two, two week spring break here. And then basically, we had another week and then we I want I want I’m never going back. We you know, we shifted entirely to online. And of course it could do anything at that point in my district, the district took over and which was kind of nice. They did a lot of the lesson planning and we just had to implement the online lessons and monitor the students and stuff like that. So I wasn’t able to test anything. But my plan was to do some more testing with my kids, I bought all this stuff. I had it sitting there now, you know, brought it all home, I’m trying to do all this extra games I add.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 8:11

This is Dustin chiming in here. You just heard Roger mentioned some games he had picked up for the spring semester. Well, since we recorded this about a couple weeks ago from when it is now being released. And you’re listening to this, we have started a program to get those games to teachers, parents or educators. So if you are interested in testing out these games in your learning environment, reach out to us these are open games or used games that have been used either for demo copies or for our own learning environment.

We’re trying to find people that are interested in using them. We also have some a couple games that have damaged boxes, all the parts, all the components are perfectly intact inside the box. So it’s just the outside of the box that has some damage to it. So if you are interested in testing these out, we’re asking for a testimonial or review in exchange for these games. So all you need to do is send us an email. For now we don’t have a process in place, but it will be in place very soon. But you can send us an email to stay up to date podcast at board game with education calm, and just let us know you’re interested in testing out some games that we might have.

Rodger Moore 9:26

But the thing was, there is just in the spring, there was a lot more games I could use. But I’m just saying using it with the kids. The last two, two years that I was really in the classroom. Actually last three, I was really it was really neat to see how a lot of kids engaged. laughing. Some of them were skeptical, but then they would try it. And then I would teach him something and they would like play it the rest of the period. And I wouldn’t stop them from doing that. So that was always my thing too. If they got done with their work. I’d rather have them doing that. You know, because then I’ll felt like, you know, and then I had done a lot of stuff where I’ve written up things like I felt that standards that the games were addressing.

So if an administrator said something, I had those sheets of everything available as well, hey, see, I think it’s in, you know, but I’m saying I did have some administrators walk in and look, they’re like, what are you doing? Oh, that’s really cool. So because it was different. So I’m always looking, it doesn’t replace what teachers are doing. It’s just another tool to for engagement and reinforcement, or, you know, however you want to look, but I think it teaches some cooperative skills, some thinking skills, and I don’t know, it’s just, you know, and they’re actually talking to each other, and they’re not on their electronic devices, too. Even though those those definitely have a have a have a role, I think and potentially can be used very effectively. But I think it’s kind of neat to actually have them physically talking to one another, you know, and interacting.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 10:54

yeah, I mean, it’s amazing. And that’s why we’re doing this some of the things that games can provide, as far as whether we’re, we’re looking at the learning outcomes, and targeting those through game based learning, or even some of the soft skills that we, as adults, and even kids developed through playing games. And then we usually look at analog games like board games, but like you mentioned, I think there is a lot of potential for game based tech, I suppose in the classroom.

And I’ve used some in the past. I mean, there’s the websites like Kahoot quizzes that I think are really excellent for reviewing vocabulary, at least for I’ve leaned into those for English language teaching. Yeah, but you touched on a lot of things that kind of we’re going to talk about today on the season. 10 preview is just some updates on board game with education that we had worked on some stuff, some projects in the past, and where those sit, we’re going to talk about the board game with education store. And then just a little preview to what season 10 is going to look like because Roger will be back on episode several times here in season 10, as well as some other regular guests too.

But just some updates from board games education as far as I guess, one thing you mentioned, too, before we go there is you talked about Brad and I want to give a shout out to Brad as well as other people who have really helped us kind of look at what we’re doing with our board game with education store and help, you know, solve a need for educators and homeschoolers, which is how to use games for learning and looking at our supplemental resources that how we can best provide those. And one, one thing that a lot of our community members get involved in our, in our community, I guess, isn’t on our Facebook group. That’s game based learning gamification and games for learning education. So a lot of people are really contributing there, as well as contributing some of their own things that they’re doing, which is really awesome. I love seeing some games that people are making. I saw a dad that had worked on a game with his daughter during the pandemic. And he’s looking to share that idea. I saw him posted in another board game group that he’s looking for kid artists for the game, which sounds like a really cool community based project. So hopefully he shares that soon. If not, you might have to go look for him. Different Facebook group.

I think and then just some other things that board game of education had been working on. And again, the pandemics a big, like overarching theme of everything that’s happened in society, right and small businesses and impacts education and back to business and backs politics and impacts our physical and mental health. So it’s a lot of stuff that, that we’re all kind of adjusting to and a board game with education, we had worlds XP and review deck builder, which again, just like you, we had hoped to find some teachers in the spring to try these things out in the classroom, because they’re really built for in person learning, they’re not really, you know, you’re passing around cards for the review deck builder, you’re going from one table, maybe to your teacher for that game. And then with worlds XP, that’s a narrative based like RPG, gamification toolkit. And again, that’s really in person, we designed it to be an analog based system, and not a digital based system, because there’s a lot of digital based systems out there.

So those two things are on the back burner for anyone that was still kind of looking forward to those things. You can always reach out to me, I’m happy to provide what we have now. In a sense that you would provide some feedback on those things and help me iterate and develop them further. So if you’re interested in checking those out, you can just send me an email podcast at board game with education comm something else that Roger will be hopefully helping us on. We’ve kind of talked about this a little bit as the YouTube channel. We have some videos up and I started to release them about once a week but realized video production is not my forte and it takes It’s been a long time to get some videos out. So I’m still learning how to be better, better, I guess more efficient at video production and getting things out. I do enjoy streaming, we do that every Thursday. So we play game live, but we’re really looking maybe hopefully, to release more YouTube videos down the road looking at some of the games we have on our website. I know, Roger, you had talked about some of the games and creating like, how to videos and talking about how to use them in class.

Rodger Moore 15:30

I think this is kind of a slow burn. I think it’s a completely new area that maybe a lot of teachers or educators didn’t even, you know, see that there is some potential here to help kids understand and, you know, engage and, you know, if anything, I think it’s just to try to, I think it’s important, I always, I always had the philosophy, when I was in the classroom that if, if the kids were enjoying themselves and having fun, then it made it fun for me, but then it just seemed to me the learning just fell into place. And those were the days that I can always remember being the most rewarding. When the kids I was I was I’m more enjoyment out of watching them laughing and having a good time.

You know, no matter, you know, what, what the situation was, I think those things, obviously the most rewarding, but it just it maybe turns, you know that this isn’t really, you know, I think some kids look things so negatively, and then just try that. I always felt that as a challenge to try to turn kids, you know, like, oh, that kid doesn’t really like this, well, let me see if I can find something that he’s interested in, or she’s interested in, to at least so that they can kind of, you know, take away something with it. So I think we’re, we’re getting there.

But it’s, it’s new. And I think we got a lot of good ideas. And we’re getting there. And I think, just like you mentioned, you know, the everybody that’s, you know, listening to this or follows, you know, Dustin or whatever that the more you can talk to us, and just little things that you mean, we want to make it better. I mean, obviously right now we’re focused on a little bit of stuff, that’s just because that’s where my, my area of expertise is in. But that doesn’t mean that we’re not going to try and branch out into other subject matter, I realize there’s probably you know, or not reading some of the primary and stuff like this. But that doesn’t mean we’re going to get there at some point.

So you know, it’s there that I think Dustin, I’ve talked about this is that, I’ve told him, I’ve emphasized to him that I didn’t really want to make it a static thing where I or him or anybody that’s created some content that we’re using, that we put it up and then Okay, we’re done with it. And you know, and you come and look at it, but that we want to add to it, but that’s all going to be based on what kind of interest we’re getting in it too. Right? So I mean, I’ll put, I want to put the effort in as long as we see people are like, oh, they’re getting something out of it before we go. You know, too crazy, you know, putting stuff up. But I think that’s the point. It’s, it’s going to be a constantly growing thing. We’ll constantly editing, adding, taking suggestions, putting stuff in there. And of course, you know, Dustin, I know he talked about, I think we’re kind of big on definitely giving credit to people that

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 18:18

you know, contribute, maybe we can kind of transition into what we’re doing with the board game with education.com. Store. You mentioned contributions and teachers kind of reaching out to us or homeschoolers reaching out to us and letting us know what is working and what’s not. And also that if you do get a game, you get these resources. But that’s not the end of the resources for the game. In some cases, in some cases, maybe depending on whether we are able to come up with other ideas for the game. But for example, you might you might pick up a game on our site. I think there’s trap words behind me, which is a good vocabulary based game. There are some resources. Well, I guess we’re developing the resources for that now. So let’s go through some of the science based games that we have resources for now.

For example, maybe cytosis, I guess that’s a good one. So that’s a it’s a pretty involved game, I think 30 to 45 minutes, game time, maybe 45 to an hour, I can’t remember. But it’s so it’s like if you play that, that’s the whole class period, right. So it’s not a game that you can just kind of do one activity while you might play a part of it as an activity, but it’s something that we would look at as full unit and looking at how to develop resources for that. So right now there’s resources for at home learning and think how to play on the website. Eventually there’ll be more resources added to cytosis and you’ll receive an email maybe down the road saying hey, we added these resources to the game you picked up. Feel free to check them out and download them for your either classroom or at home.

Rodger Moore 20:01

I think this is kind of a slow burn. I think it’s a completely new area that maybe a lot of teachers or educators didn’t even, you know, see that there is some potential here to help kids understand and, you know, engage and, you know, if anything, I think it’s just to try to, I think it’s important, I always, I always had the philosophy, when I was in the classroom that if, if the kids were enjoying themselves and having fun, then it made it fun for me, but then it just seemed to me the learning just fell into place. And those were the days that I can always remember being the most rewarding. When the kids I was I was I’m more enjoyment out of watching them laughing and having a good time.

You know, no matter, you know, what, what the situation was, I think those things, obviously the most rewarding, but it just it maybe turns, you know that this isn’t really, you know, I think some kids look things so negatively, and then just try that. I always felt that as a challenge to try to turn kids, you know, like, oh, that kid doesn’t really like this, well, let me see if I can find something that he’s interested in, or she’s interested in, to at least so that they can kind of, you know, take away something with it. So I think we’re, we’re getting there. But it’s, it’s new. And I think we got a lot of good ideas. And we’re getting there. And I think, just like you mentioned, you know, the everybody that’s, you know, listening to this or follows, you know, Dustin or whatever that the more you can talk to us, and just little things that you mean, we want to make it better.

I mean, obviously right now we’re focused on a little bit of stuff, that’s just because that’s where my, my area of expertise is in. But that doesn’t mean that we’re not going to try and branch out into other subject matter, I realize there’s probably you know, or not reading some of the primary and stuff like this. But that doesn’t mean we’re going to get there at some point. So you know, it’s there that I think Dustin, I’ve talked about this is that, I’ve told him, I’ve emphasized to him that I didn’t really want to make it a static thing where I or him or anybody that’s created some content that we’re using, that we put it up and then Okay, we’re done with it. And you know, and you come and look at it, but that we want to add to it, but that’s all going to be based on what kind of interest we’re getting in it too. Right?

So I mean, I’ll put, I want to put the effort in as long as we see people are like, oh, they’re getting something out of it before we go. You know, too crazy, you know, putting stuff up. But I think that’s the point. It’s, it’s going to be a constantly growing thing. We’ll constantly editing, adding, taking suggestions, putting stuff in there. And of course, you know, Dustin, I know he talked about, I think we’re kind of big on definitely giving credit to people that

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 21:03

So I mean, this is this podcast episode is coming out in the beginning October, well, actually, we’re recording beginning October, they’ll be coming out towards the end of October, early November, when we have some other episodes recorded for season 10. But right now there are, I want to say I think we’re about at 15 games that come with resources, and about 35 games on the site that either we’ve looked at and seeing or and we’ve looked at embedded for games for learning. And we’ll have resources for them eventually. So if you do end up picking up a game now and then down the road, we develop resources for him, you’ll receive those complimentary resources to think there’s about 35. I don’t know if I said that. So there’s 35 and 15, that already have resources, all the ones that already have resources are science based. And by the time this podcast comes out, we’ll have some English language learning resources with some of the games that I’ve been working on. And I’ve used in the past, I’m kind of re redeveloping, for others to use as well,

Rodger Moore 22:08

Dustin, I talked about this, I mean, we’re getting there, but is that we’re going to the goal, I think is to hit all the sub subject matter that we possibly can. And in what’s going to wind up interestingly, I think, is some games I’m sure that will wind up picking may not look educational, but they are like, for example, I’ll say a lot of games, I think, have a lot of like mathematical components to them. So that has huge potential. As far as you know, path based games, I think we have a lot of options there.

They like what does this have to do with math, that doesn’t bet it does. Because of mechanically what’s going on in there. And I think what we’re trying to pick two are games that we can get you going with in the classroom quickly, that are easy. And hopefully easy for the students to understand kind of what their level is. And then you can just hit the ground running with it, you know, as best you can. But like met Dustin mentioned cytosis, like that would probably be more more of a unit. But like even you mentioned that you could easily just take pieces of that game and play it just to address certain concepts. And if you’re doing it because that game, basically what it’s showing, it shows how a cell functions, all the cellular parts that are involved all the organelles, and how they do things, and it’s actually emulating a human cell. But it’s done in a really clever, fun, engaging manner.

But I think it really would be helpful, you know, to students to understand, oh, because it gives a little more of a visual, like, this is how this stuff works. And I think once they see it, because that stuff sometimes is abstracted. I mean, you know, when when I was teaching it, yeah, you could show stuff in the microscope with the students, they could see it, but a lot of times those were like, you know, prepared slides, but you couldn’t see sometimes the processes and I know there’s there’s animations and stuff out there like that, that are that are terrific for that kind of thing. But that the tactile part, really seeing it, I think for some students can be would be really beneficial.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 24:17

Right? It’s that I mean, it’s the different types of learning and differentiating towards those learners. Yeah, I mean, for me, I’m a huge visual learner and playing a game and or watching a video are very important for my learning process. But one thing that’s really important for my work learning process is not only visual, but a step by step process of how this works and doing it and I think a game is great for that. So like hands on visually seen what happens.

Rodger Moore 24:49

Yeah, it’s a I think there’s a ton of potential there, you know, for helping students understand, but I think we’re we’re definitely trying to focus on I wouldn’t necessarily say easier, but trying to look for a little bit easier rule sets, but then what we will try to what we will be doing is helping you get through those rules. So properly all the games, I think we have up right now they do have a a simplified how to play, try to put a little more, in some cases, you know, teacher friendly and student friendly. I mean, some of the games we have, there’s, there’s a teacher one, and there’s also a student one.

In some cases, you know, and a lot of games, I think will definitely do that with well, they’ll come with player aids, some of the games come with them, but some of them don’t. So we’ll, we’ll definitely develop some of those already, at least as things I’m working on. And like I said, I think that’s also stuff that, you know, the more input you can give us, like, Oh, yeah, that works great. Or maybe you to add this on there, then, you know, we want to make it better, you know, for for everybody.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 25:56

Yeah, and I guess two things that you mentioned is the how to play I had to make sure that we’re we’re putting it together. Well, I had read Rogers, so this was for, I believe, ecosystem, and maybe ion I read because I hadn’t played those games before and you’ve played them. And you that’s your expertise is science.

So I was someone reading your how to play without looking at the rulebook to see if I knew how to do it. And then I had my wife do the same. And so it’s very, like, I think one page usually maybe a little bit over a page of how to play the game. And you don’t have to wade through that rulebook to figure out these rules. We do leave out some very specific, like minor rules that we ask you to reference the rulebook for.

But again, when we’re in the classroom, some of those things are important, and some of them aren’t. Because really, what we’re, what we’re leaning into in the classroom is not playing the game, but it’s learning. And so we kind of decide what things are part of the learning process in the game, what things maybe are fun to keep in the game, because the rules are important, or some things that are like, well, if you want to play with this rule, then go to the rulebook, but you don’t need it to go through the learning process of playing the game.

Rodger Moore 27:16

Right? Right. You could always add that stuff in. And then I think we do give a lot of suggestions like, I know, quite a few of them. I’ve done that where I’ve said, Hey, leave this out. You could add it in later, here’s how you can do it. But it wouldn’t affect the gameplay. But like you said, the important thing there is that it’s the the learning that they’re getting out of it. And I think that might be some of the hesitation to like, well, I don’t want to use it because the kids aren’t going to do it. Right. That’s okay, too. I think sometimes. I mean, Dustin, I were talking before we started that sometimes I found that kind of effective just to purposely leave things out, not to frustrate the students, but get them to think a little bit and, and even if they they don’t, I mean, I think there’s a fine line without too. I mean, you don’t want to create a huge frustration thing, and it turns into a disaster. But, I mean, you got to realize, too, that the classroom might get a little noisier.

But But if the if you if you feel like that noise or whatever the students are doing, that they’re engaged, I think that’s fine. I mean, it is a teacher that never bothered me that was just like, that was productive noise. No, I always felt like, because they’re laughing and stuff and having fun, but then you can see that they’re, you know, using their, you can totally tell that they’re, they’re getting their get, they’re kind of getting it, you know, and without even realizing it. That’s, that’s really the thing. So one thing you did mention, too, is asking others to reach out to us and definitely do reach out to us. My emails podcast at board game with education.com or you can reach out to the website is sales at board games, education comm because we are looking for ways to collaborate with teachers, especially looking at ways that we can bring teachers on would want like to develop resources for different games, or if you have some resources you’d like to share with us. definitely reach out to us.

I don’t know, like you mentioned, we’ve already had a lot of people help us with the direction of the site, which has been really helpful. Right, and trying to trying to get it get that set up. I mean, I think that might be something else too, if there’s something that doesn’t look clear, like where to find things, but I think we’re and Dustin mentioned he’s been working on the working on that, you know, cosmetically and stuff like that, but trying to put it so that it makes sense like where to look for things. So I think we’re the idea that I’m correct me if I’m wrong, but since like, you know, by content area, maybe grade level and stuff like that, those are definitely things that I think you’re building into the web page. You know, so that people can go and look for and find things that they like, Oh, I want something on this, you know, or whatever.

But like I said, I think you Always, you know, reach out to us and ask us as well like, hey, do you have a game that does this? Or I think we, I mean, I play enough games, that and I, the fortunate I work at a board game store now. So I’ve got my nose in there a little bit more than a bit you we probably could give some recommendations to at least for now until we get things like that, oh, this might be a good choice. You know, like, I’m looking for this specific game that’s addressing this. Is there anything out there that’s like that? If not, we I can find it right now. So I’m willing to do that, you know, people have questions about things like that.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 30:40

And if someone wanted to reach out to you, how would they do that?

Rodger Moore 30:43

Um, well, I could we could do I guess my email. Maybe I should even make a an email with using your stuff might make some sense, I think, yeah, it might be a good transition at some point.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 31:01

Dustin here again, and we did get roger that email address, you can go to Roger@boardgamingwitheducation.com to reach him if you want to talk to Roger specifically. So again, Roger@boardgamingwitheducation.com. All right, I’m kinda wanna before we end, I want to talk about what season 10 of the podcast is going to look like. And that’s going to be very different and the same at the same time.

So we’re still going to continue our previous format, which was interview based, and that’s usually a focus on the interviewer, and what they’re doing, or their expertise in game based learning or game design or education. But usually, there’s an overlap between those topics. And we’re gonna continue with those those will be released less released less regularly, I guess they’ll be released maybe once or twice a month, depending on how often we have those interviews. And what will be coming out every week on Monday, again, are going to be the topical based episodes.

And this is a new format for our podcast. So this will look like an episode where I have on a regular guest and a one time guest, which maybe you might have heard from before, maybe not. But for example, the regular guest and I so if Roger was the regular guest, we would chat about the topic. So the topic might be board games for literacy. And Roger and I would introduce the topic and kind of chat about it very briefly, like maybe what we’re going to talk about in the episode. And then I would have on the one time guest who has used board games for literacy, or is an expert in using board games for literacy. And we would have to have an in depth conversation about that, I would be on the learning end mostly. So as a listener, I would take on the role of the listener trying to really learn as much about the topic as possible, and asking questions and prying more information from the expert. And then after that conversation, Roger would come back on the show.

And we would have a follow up discussion about the topic. And then we would end the episode. So that is a very new format. I think, from my personal experience, listening to some podcast episodes that do it like this. And from understanding what people really want to hear about game based learning is really diving into different topics, and how it can be useful. I think this is a better way to serve our community. If not, definitely let us know if this formats like, totally terrible.

Or if you think we could make some minor adjustments, definitely let us know. Or if you really miss the interview episodes, maybe we can go back to releasing those every week, and then put these types of episodes on hold maybe once or twice a month. So definitely let us know what you prefer. Again, email us podcast at board game with education Comm. Roger, what do you think about the new format?

Rodger Moore 34:04

Oh, I like it. I think it makes I think makes a lot of sense. But particularly the direction, you know, you’re taking things right now and, you know, logically makes sense. To be doing it that way. I mean, even depending maybe I don’t know how difficult it is maybe even mix it 5050 or something to I don’t know. But like I said, I think that’s all going to be dependent on the kind of the feedback you get, you know what, what people are going to be, you know, what they’re, they like the best, right?

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 34:32

Yeah, I hope to and maybe this will be a call out to any, any sponsors that would like to sponsor the podcast. If we can get a sponsor, we can do these episodes twice a week. Just my my workload allows me to do about one poverty podcast episode a week. But that would be super awesome. If anybody’s listening to you and like, Hey, I really like what they’re doing and I want to sponsor the show. Again, you can reach out to us podcast. At board games, education comm we’ve had some sponsors in the past that have been, I’ve worked out well, a Kickstarter that had released something on Kickstarter, a couple Kickstarter sponsors that had games on Kickstarter, and then other education based online company that has sponsored the show. So if you’re interested, again, podcast that board game with education calm.

Rodger Moore 35:19

And I don’t know why that makes me I know you made an announcement about yesterday. But we’re I know, we threw a unless you were going to mention this not we threw a calendar up on the on the website that I’m, I’m working on. And it’s there’s a few things on there right now. But it’s going to be you know, just what’s available, but we’re trying to highlight, Kickstarter games, maybe even new releases, if I can find information on that, which, so I was also thinking that that might be a good idea, too. And then you may be able to go on there to see when they’re launching. And then it’ll also it’ll tell you when it ends. So I will be looking at that. So you see what it is. But then also putting in the information on the calendar, like what topics that game is addressing, but it’s just stuff that we’re that I’m noticing that based on going through the web, the Kickstarter page, and maybe going and looking some other information that this potentially might be a good, you know, learning game, you know, or using at home or using in the classroom or something like that, and might be stuff that maybe to potentially depending on things work out that we might even carry it on or on on the web store.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 36:35

Right. That’s another point, too, is if you see any of those games on the calendar that you’re like, ooh, I really want to get this. But I don’t know if I want to back to Kickstarter yet. definitely reach out to us and might be a game that we end up carrying on our site, too.

Rodger Moore 36:50

Yeah, exactly. Because we should be able to do things like that, depending I mean, it kind of depends on the Kickstarters. I think what companies doing it if it’s if it’s an individual, you know, how many copies they’re making, how many can potentially get our hands on to and stuff like that, because I had sometimes as a caveat with that stuff.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 37:10

Yeah, definitely. A lot of stuff that I’m learning as far as carrying the inventory, but that’s right, another

Rodger Moore 37:17

Yep, yep. Exactly. Well, I think that’s the thing too, because of the still the situation with, you know, with COVID there’s still several things are slow. You know, getting our hands on certain things. I mean, I just know the board game store I work at we’re fighting with that right now. Right, you know, titles in and stuff.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 37:36

Yeah. Awesome. Well, Roger, thank you for, again, coming on board and helping me preview season 10 to our community and what that’s gonna look like on the podcast. I’m excited to have you on the show again.

Rodger Moore 37:49

Well, thanks for having me. It’s a pleasure to be here. So yeah, I’m really looking forward to it.

Dustin Staats
Dustin Staats 37:36

Before you go, did you know you can check us out in two other ways. I have been going live on Instagram every Friday morning at 830 Pacific Standard Time. And I also have the replays of the videos available on our Instagram TV. So you can find our Instagram channel board game with education. And check those out because I share some really cool behind the scenes stuff happening at board game with education and talk about some games we’ve been playing. So again, Instagram 830 pacific standard time every Friday.

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BGE 39:19

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